Han-reform - 版本历史

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	'''Han-reform''' (hàngǎi {{lang\|zh\|汉改}}), named vaguely on purpose, is a set of ~~eccentric~~ movements concerning Chinese language, its script, or both. These proposals are often deemed eccentric due to their impractical features. [[Shidinn]] and [[周字\|Zhou script]] are two examples of Han-reform.		'''Han-reform''' (hàngǎi {{lang\|zh\|汉改}}), named vaguely on purpose, is a set of movements since late 1990s concerning Chinese language, its script, or both, sharing some similarity with [[rationalwiki:English spelling reform\|English spelling reform]]. These proposals are often deemed eccentric due to their impractical features. [[Shidinn]] and [[周字\|Zhou script]] are two examples of Han-reform.

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	Many debates related to the national language and script problem occurred in China during the 20th century. Some scientific ~~agreement~~ was reached, such as vernacular (‘living’) language-based writing, incorporation of political and technical loanwords, etc. This ~~agreement indicated~~ that script reform should be done through combined efforts instead of being invented in a garage, which further boosted the discussion and eventually resulted in Putonghua, Pinyin and Simplified Chinese characters.		Many debates related to the national language and script problem occurred in China during the 20th century. Some scientific consensus was reached, such as vernacular (‘living’) language-based writing, incorporation of political and technical loanwords, etc. This concensus implied that script reform should be done through combined efforts instead of being invented in a garage, which further boosted the discussion and eventually resulted in Putonghua, Pinyin and Simplified Chinese characters.

	By the 1990s, the focus on script reform decreased, largely due to changes in social ideology but also because of standardization of Chinese and the widespread use of computers. People no longer sought after the mindset of script reform and some ‘new’ passionate individuals emerged as Han-reformists who advocated various strange inventions.		By the 1990s, the focus on script reform decreased, largely due to changes in social ideology but also because of standardization of Chinese and the widespread use of computers. People no longer sought after the mindset of script reform and some ‘new’ passionate individuals emerged as Han-reformists who advocated various strange inventions.

	Some early opinions were highly unrealistic as well, such as the suggestion by some Chinese students in Paris in 1908 that Chinese people should speak Esperanto instead of Chinese<ref>The remark was refuted by Zhāng Tàiyán in his essay ''Refutal for China’s adoption of Esperanto'' ({{lang\|zh\|駁中國用萬國新語說}}). Zhāng pointed out that the advocators simply think that ideographic writing are for uncivilized people and phonetic writing are for civilized people.</ref>. However, these opinions were then merely marginalised among the active discussion. Only when the public attention decreased have the weird ideas survived to form the Han-reform phenomenon. Behaviour of Han-reform resembles English spelling reform; the difference is that Han-reform is ~~still new~~ under the dusk of serious script reform.		Some early opinions were highly unrealistic as well, such as the suggestion by some Chinese students in Paris in 1908 that Chinese people should speak Esperanto instead of Chinese<ref>The remark was refuted by Zhāng Tàiyán in his essay ''Refutal for China’s adoption of Esperanto'' ({{lang\|zh\|駁中國用萬國新語說}}). Zhāng pointed out that the advocators simply think that ideographic writing are for uncivilized people and phonetic writing are for civilized people.</ref>. However, these opinions were then merely marginalised among the active discussion. Only when the public attention decreased have the weird ideas survived to form the Han-reform phenomenon. Behaviour of Han-reform resembles English spelling reform; the difference is that Han-reform is growing up under the dusk of serious script reform.

	== Types ==		== Types ==

物灵：/* Difference from solemn script reform */

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	'''Han-reform''' (hàngǎi {{lang\|zh\|汉改}}), named vaguely on purpose, is a set of eccentric movements concerning Chinese language, its script, or both. These proposals are often deemed eccentric due to their impractical features. [[Shidinn]] and [[周字\|Zhou script]] are two examples of Han-reform.		'''Han-reform''' (hàngǎi {{lang\|zh\|汉改}}), named vaguely on purpose, is a set of eccentric movements concerning Chinese language, its script, or both. These proposals are often deemed eccentric due to their impractical features. [[Shidinn]] and [[周字\|Zhou script]] are two examples of Han-reform.

	== Difference from ~~solemn~~ script reform ==		== Difference from serious script reform ==

	Many debates related to the national language and script problem occurred in China during the 20th century. Some early opinions were highly unrealistic, such as the suggestion by some Chinese students in Paris in 1908 that Chinese people should speak Esperanto instead of Chinese<ref>The remark was refuted by Zhāng Tàiyán in his essay ''Refutal for China’s adoption of Esperanto'' ({{lang\|zh\|駁中國用萬國新語說}}). Zhāng pointed out that the advocators simply think that ideographic writing are for uncivilized people and phonetic writing are for civilized people.</ref>. However, some scientific agreement was ~~later~~ reached, such as vernacular (‘living’) language-based writing, incorporation of political and technical loanwords, etc. This agreement indicated that script reform should be done through combined efforts instead of being invented in a garage, which further boosted the discussion and eventually resulted in Putonghua, Pinyin and Simplified Chinese characters.		Many debates related to the national language and script problem occurred in China during the 20th century. Some scientific agreement was reached, such as vernacular (‘living’) language-based writing, incorporation of political and technical loanwords, etc. This agreement indicated that script reform should be done through combined efforts instead of being invented in a garage, which further boosted the discussion and eventually resulted in Putonghua, Pinyin and Simplified Chinese characters.

	By the 1990s, the focus on script reform decreased, largely due to changes in social ideology but also because of standardization of Chinese and the widespread use of computers. People no longer sought after the mindset of script reform and some ‘new’ passionate individuals emerged as Han-reformists who advocated various strange inventions.		By the 1990s, the focus on script reform decreased, largely due to changes in social ideology but also because of standardization of Chinese and the widespread use of computers. People no longer sought after the mindset of script reform and some ‘new’ passionate individuals emerged as Han-reformists who advocated various strange inventions.

			Some early opinions were highly unrealistic as well, such as the suggestion by some Chinese students in Paris in 1908 that Chinese people should speak Esperanto instead of Chinese<ref>The remark was refuted by Zhāng Tàiyán in his essay ''Refutal for China’s adoption of Esperanto'' ({{lang\|zh\|駁中國用萬國新語說}}). Zhāng pointed out that the advocators simply think that ideographic writing are for uncivilized people and phonetic writing are for civilized people.</ref>. However, these opinions were then merely marginalised among the active discussion. Only when the public attention decreased have the weird ideas survived to form the Han-reform phenomenon. Behaviour of Han-reform resembles English spelling reform; the difference is that Han-reform is still new under the dusk of serious script reform.

	== Types ==		== Types ==

物灵：待续

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	'''Han-reform''' (hàngǎi {{lang\|zh\|汉改}}, named vaguely on purpose, is a set of eccentric movements concerning Chinese language, its script, or both. These proposals are often deemed eccentric due to their impractical features. [[Shidinn]] and [[周字\|Zhou script]] are two examples of Han-reform.		'''Han-reform''' (hàngǎi {{lang\|zh\|汉改}}), named vaguely on purpose, is a set of eccentric movements concerning Chinese language, its script, or both. These proposals are often deemed eccentric due to their impractical features. [[Shidinn]] and [[周字\|Zhou script]] are two examples of Han-reform.

	== Difference from solemn script reform ==		== Difference from solemn script reform ==

	Many debates related to the national language and script problem occurred in China during the 20th century. Some early opinions were highly unrealistic, such as the suggestion by some Chinese students in Paris in 1908 that Chinese people should speak Esperanto instead of Chinese<ref>The remark was refuted by Zhāng Tàiyán in his essay ''Refutal for China’s adoption of Esperanto'' ({{lang\|zh\|駁中國用萬國新語說}}). Zhāng pointed out that the advocators simply think that ideographic writing are for uncivilized people and phonetic writing are for civilized people.</ref>. However~~, after further discussion~~, some scientific agreement was reached, such as vernacular (‘living’) language-based writing, ~~incorporating~~ political and technical loanwords, etc. This agreement indicated that script reform should be done through combined efforts instead of being invented in a garage, which further boosted the discussion and eventually resulted in Putonghua, Pinyin and Simplified Chinese characters.		Many debates related to the national language and script problem occurred in China during the 20th century. Some early opinions were highly unrealistic, such as the suggestion by some Chinese students in Paris in 1908 that Chinese people should speak Esperanto instead of Chinese<ref>The remark was refuted by Zhāng Tàiyán in his essay ''Refutal for China’s adoption of Esperanto'' ({{lang\|zh\|駁中國用萬國新語說}}). Zhāng pointed out that the advocators simply think that ideographic writing are for uncivilized people and phonetic writing are for civilized people.</ref>. However, some scientific agreement was later reached, such as vernacular (‘living’) language-based writing, incorporation of political and technical loanwords, etc. This agreement indicated that script reform should be done through combined efforts instead of being invented in a garage, which further boosted the discussion and eventually resulted in Putonghua, Pinyin and Simplified Chinese characters.

			By the 1990s, the focus on script reform decreased, largely due to changes in social ideology but also because of standardization of Chinese and the widespread use of computers. People no longer sought after the mindset of script reform and some ‘new’ passionate individuals emerged as Han-reformists who advocated various strange inventions.

			== Types ==

			Though Han-reformists often blur the boundary between language and script (hence the name, where ''hàn'' vaguely refers to Chinese language ''Hànyǔ'' or Chinese character ''Hànzì''), script still draws more attention.

	By the 1990s, the focus on script reform decreased, largely due to changes in social ideology but also because of standardization of Chinese and the widespread use of computers. People no longer sought to reform the script and some ‘new’ passionate individuals emerged as Han-reformists who advocated various strange inventions.
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	== Difference from solemn script reform ==		== Difference from solemn script reform ==

	Many debates related to the national language and script problem occurred in China during the 20th century. Some early opinions were highly unrealistic, such as the suggestion by some Chinese students in Paris in 1908 that Chinese people should speak Esperanto instead of Chinese. However, after further discussion, some scientific agreement was reached, such as ~~using~~ vernacular (‘living’) language-based writing, incorporating political and technical loanwords, etc. This agreement indicated that script reform should be done through combined efforts instead of being invented in a garage, which further boosted the discussion and eventually resulted in Putonghua, Pinyin and Simplified Chinese characters.		Many debates related to the national language and script problem occurred in China during the 20th century. Some early opinions were highly unrealistic, such as the suggestion by some Chinese students in Paris in 1908 that Chinese people should speak Esperanto instead of Chinese<ref>The remark was refuted by Zhāng Tàiyán in his essay ''Refutal for China’s adoption of Esperanto'' ({{lang\|zh\|駁中國用萬國新語說}}). Zhāng pointed out that the advocators simply think that ideographic writing are for uncivilized people and phonetic writing are for civilized people.</ref>. However, after further discussion, some scientific agreement was reached, such as vernacular (‘living’) language-based writing, incorporating political and technical loanwords, etc. This agreement indicated that script reform should be done through combined efforts instead of being invented in a garage, which further boosted the discussion and eventually resulted in Putonghua, Pinyin and Simplified Chinese characters.

	By the 1990s, the focus on script reform decreased, largely due to changes in social ideology ~~as well as the~~ standardization of Chinese and the widespread use of computers. People no longer sought to reform the script and some ‘new’ passionate individuals emerged as Han-reformists who advocated various strange inventions.		By the 1990s, the focus on script reform decreased, largely due to changes in social ideology but also because of standardization of Chinese and the widespread use of computers. People no longer sought to reform the script and some ‘new’ passionate individuals emerged as Han-reformists who advocated various strange inventions.
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	'''Han-reform''' (hàngǎi {{lang\|zh\|汉改}}), vaguely ~~named~~ on purpose, is a set of ~~crankery~~ movements ~~venturing to~~ Chinese ~~languages~~, its script, or both. ~~The~~ proposals are often ~~thought crankery because of~~ impractical features ~~on which they~~ are ~~obsessed~~.		'''Han-reform''' (hàngǎi {{lang\|zh\|汉改}}, named vaguely on purpose, is a set of eccentric movements concerning Chinese language, its script, or both. These proposals are often deemed eccentric due to their impractical features. [[Shidinn]] and [[周字\|Zhou script]] are two examples of Han-reform.

	~~[[Shidinn]] and [[周字\|Zhou~~ script~~]] are examples of Han-~~reform.		== Difference from solemn script reform ==

	~~== Difference from solemn script reform ==~~		Many debates related to the national language and script problem occurred in China during the 20th century. Some early opinions were highly unrealistic, such as the suggestion by some Chinese students in Paris in 1908 that Chinese people should speak Esperanto instead of Chinese. However, after further discussion, some scientific agreement was reached, such as using vernacular (‘living’) language-based writing, incorporating political and technical loanwords, etc. This agreement indicated that script reform should be done through combined efforts instead of being invented in a garage, which further boosted the discussion and eventually resulted in Putonghua, Pinyin and Simplified Chinese characters.
	Many ~~discussions led~~ to ~~issues of~~ national language and script problem ~~throughout 20<sup>th</sup> century~~ in China. Some ~~of the~~ opinions ~~is truly~~ unrealistic ~~like Han-reform~~, as ~~an example,~~ some Chinese students in Paris ~~suggested~~ in 1908 that Chinese people should speak Esperanto instead of Chinese. ~~But later~~, some scientific ~~consensus~~ was reached, such as vernacular (‘living’) language-based writing, political and technical loanwords, etc. ~~The consensus inferred~~ that script reform should be~~, rather than invention~~ in a garage, ~~efforts of everyone and made~~ the discussion ~~flourishing but principled, which induced [[wp:Standard Chinese\|~~Putonghua]], ~~[[wp:Pinyin\|~~Pinyin]] and ~~[[wp:Simplified Chinese characters\|~~Simplified Chinese characters]].

	~~However~~, the ~~attention to~~ script reform ~~gradually died down in 1990s~~, ~~chiefly because of~~ changes in social ideology ~~but also related to~~ standardization of Chinese and widespread use of ~~computer~~. People no longer sought ~~out~~ the ~~mindset of~~ script ~~reform~~ and some ‘new’ passionate ~~people turned out to be~~ Han-reformists ~~insisting on there all kinds of~~ strange inventions.		By the 1990s, the focus on script reform decreased, largely due to changes in social ideology as well as the standardization of Chinese and the widespread use of computers. People no longer sought to reform the script and some ‘new’ passionate individuals emerged as Han-reformists who advocated various strange inventions.

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	'''Han-reform''', vaguely named on purpose, is a set of crankery movements venturing to Chinese languages, its script, or both. The proposals are often thought crankery because of impractical features on which they are obsessed.		'''Han-reform''' (hàngǎi {{lang\|zh\|汉改}}), vaguely named on purpose, is a set of crankery movements venturing to Chinese languages, its script, or both. The proposals are often thought crankery because of impractical features on which they are obsessed.

	[[Shidinn]] and [[周字\|Zhou script]] are examples of Han-reform.		[[Shidinn]] and [[周字\|Zhou script]] are examples of Han-reform.

			== Difference from solemn script reform ==
			Many discussions led to issues of national language and script problem throughout 20<sup>th</sup> century in China. Some of the opinions is truly unrealistic like Han-reform, as an example, some Chinese students in Paris suggested in 1908 that Chinese people should speak Esperanto instead of Chinese. But later, some scientific consensus was reached, such as vernacular (‘living’) language-based writing, political and technical loanwords, etc. The consensus inferred that script reform should be, rather than invention in a garage, efforts of everyone and made the discussion flourishing but principled, which induced [[wp:Standard Chinese\|Putonghua]], [[wp:Pinyin\|Pinyin]] and [[wp:Simplified Chinese characters\|Simplified Chinese characters]].

			However, the attention to script reform gradually died down in 1990s, chiefly because of changes in social ideology but also related to standardization of Chinese and widespread use of computer. People no longer sought out the mindset of script reform and some ‘new’ passionate people turned out to be Han-reformists insisting on there all kinds of strange inventions.

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'''Han-reform''', vaguely named on purpose, is a set of crankery movements venturing to Chinese languages, its script, or both. The proposals are often thought crankery because of impractical features on which they are obsessed.

[[Shidinn]] and [[周字|Zhou script]] are examples of Han-reform.

Han-reform - 版本历史

物灵：​/* Notes */

2023年3月11日 (六) 15:22 物灵

物灵：​/* Difference from serious script reform */

物灵：​/* Difference from solemn script reform */

物灵：​待续

物灵：​/* Difference from solemn script reform */

2023年3月1日 (三) 12:21 物灵

2023年3月1日 (三) 12:15 物灵

物灵：/* Notes */

物灵：/* Difference from serious script reform */

物灵：/* Difference from solemn script reform */

物灵：待续

物灵：/* Difference from solemn script reform */